-I am sorry, if I had the information I would be happy to give it to you, I just don't know. When the pope was visiting New York city, I think Nam June shot the parade, that's the Iegend in any case. I haven't seen the tape. He videotaped the crowd, I don't think he videotaped the pope himself, maybe be did. But he showed that tape in some place In soho. That was the historic thing.
-He shot at the crowd from a taxicab
-I don't know the details...
-Have you called ... There is a curator
at the museum of Modern Art
-Barbara London?
-Barbara London!
-I know her quite well
-I think Barbara will probably have the information or tell you where to find it
-Yes certainly, I will call her.
Thank you so much have a nice day Russell
-Same to you.

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-How are you ... remember me?
-What is your name'?
-Roland Baladi?
-Ah! très bien, have you been living in Paris ?
-Yes and GRAND CANAL that you may know asked me to investigate
about Nam June's first tape, when the pope was here. Russell Connor said
that you may know more about this tape than himself. Do you recall anything Nam June did in sixty five?
-I know he did a number or things with that early portable camera
-Portapack
-Yeah.
-The legend says that he went to Sony, he bought a Portapack
and he shot everything he saw. What you know about this? I like to investigate about, for GRAND CANAL.
-Well what you should do really is either talk to Nam June or call Electronic Art Intermix if by any chance they have it.
-They don't, I already met them. But I am not interested to see the tape,
I am just looking for information.
-Actually I don't know...
-You was'nt in video in sixty five...
-I was in school You know who would know?.
There is an archivist, her name is Barbara Moore.
Her husband, she and her husband was very present, and they took photographs.
I give you her number I think she bas an office.
-Can I call her on your behalf?
-OK
-No problem?
-Yeah, good luck.
-Thank you so much, bye bye
-Bye

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-Hi, you may recall me, we met at Joan Logue's loft,
centurys ago, I was coming from France, we had a nice evening
talking about video.
Back to NY, I am commissioned by a group of video authors
called GRAND CANAL, to investigate about Nam June's first tape.
I just talked to Russell Connor, Barbara London & Moore,
its seems that it's a tape he shot when the pope was visiting, do you recall anything about that?
-Not more than that, I really doubt that this tape exist anymore,
the story is that he bought a portable video and shot footage
while the pope was visiting, the showed the tape at the gallery Bonino...
-Because some people say like Don Foresta, Peppermint Lounge
and Barbara Moore says: "Café a Gogo"...

-"Café au Gogo" sounds better, you have to check,
this is something out of my head, I mean...

- I heard that the minute he bought the portapack he shot all the way
from uptown Sony showroom to downtown, you know anything about it?
-That is something you have to talk with him about
-Sure! Thank you for what ever you recalled, John,
Have a nice day!

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-Hallo?
-Nam June?
-Yeah
-Hi, this is Roland Baladi a friend from Paris.
-Yeah, yeah guy, I remember you...
-I wanted just to ask you a question about the first tape you did
when you got a Portapack 63 or something. People say that you filmed all the way to downtown, can you give me some information about that?
-Yeah. About the first tape, the great confusion is something called the Portapack and portable tape recorder. I bought the first portable videotape recorder in 65 it needs battery and AC converter you know? I borrowed that AC converter in Canal Street
-Ah you brought it in Canal?
-No. I borrowed the AC converter, and we brought the Portable tape recorder that ts AC operated, you know?
And then in uptown Liberty Music Shop and we put it in that car, Taxi and that day the pope was coming and all traffic was blocked, you know around St Patrick, so we taxied around the the Park-Madison corner then we brought the taxi down you know, and then shooting...
-And the same day you showed the tape...
-Yeah, at "Café au Gogo"
-Where is that. where was that?
-"Café au Gogo" was a kind of jazz club or a disco, you know. It was located in the west village
-Yeah at that time there was on Monday night Fluxus events
-And the Sony Show Room was next to St Patrick?
- No no! not the Sony show room, Liberty Music Shop, does not exist now; I think Liberty Music Shop used to be at 52nd and Madison Ave, St Patrick church is a famous church, you know, is right vis a vis...
-And about the Café a Gogo which street was it ?
-Caf au Gogo is somewhere in Bleeker street.
-OK, Nam June! There will be no more confusion now, I recorded you so far, is there any problem if I use the tape? I taped the telephone call you don't mind if I use it?
-Yeah, yeah of course, yeah.......
-Thank you have a nice day Nam June

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